Is the supernatural even real?

People talk about the supernatural all the time, but I got to thinking about what that actually means. It's beyond the natural world, our physical plane of existence. This basically means it's not empirical. So how can something exist if we have no way in which to measure it? Is it because people 'sense' it? Because people have faith of its existence? Because people have personal experiences with it? No two experiences are ever the same. How can you measure one person's subjective experience against anothers? If it cannot be defined, it cannot be real. Certainly it is possible, but at the point where we have some physical measure of it, it is no longer supernatural. Thoughts?Is the supernatural even real?
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Just because you can't measure something now doesn't make it real. It took us thousands of years to develop the tools to see cells, bacteria, and other tiny organisms all of which were real before hand. Multidimensional phenomena is definitely real. You just have to remove the psychological state of the human mind from the experience to see it clearly.
It is an unusual paradox indeed. If the supernatural is what exists exterior to the natural, then how does one experience it? If the definition of ''exist'' is applied to the empirical, then no, the supernatural does not technically exist.
Probably not. It's common to believe in that stuff because of comfort and fear of the unknown. They get comfort believing in something that promises them time with deceased friends and/or loved ones.
I don't believe in it, no. Not until I see it at least.
Haha, you are right.If something exists, it is no longer ''supernatural'' it is ''natural.'' It always befuddles me when ghost believers say,''I believe in the supernatural.'' I don't really see a point in using the word, even when discussing something that may or may not exist. If it exists, it's natural, if it doesn't...it just doesn't exist, there is no reason to give it a specific label. You aren't ''trying to prove whether or not something supernatural exists.'' as by it's very definition it can't, you are trying to prove whether or not a certain phenomenon is part of the natural world.
[QUOTE=''EMOEVOLUTION'']Just because you can't measure something now doesn't make it real. It took us thousands of years to develop the tools to see cells, bacteria, and other tiny organisms all of which were real before hand. Multidimensional phenomena is definitely real. You just have to remove the psychological state of the human mind from the experience to see it clearly.[/QUOTE] 1. People didn't ever believe micro organisms to be 'supernatural' 2. The point at which we can measure the 'supernatural', it is no longer so since it has falled in to the realm of the natural world 3. Multidimensional phenomena in the minds of others cannot be measured, ergo how do you know its real? How dyou know no its not a figment of the mind? If we can measure these via brain scans, then we can only conclude they are effects of the mind.
Yep... no evidence for it at all. So I'm going to assume not until it's proven otherwise.
somethings definately going on, i and others used to see black shadowy figures pass the doorway near the stairs quite often in our old house before we moved. Sure that doesnt prove anything, but seeing it for yourself removes any doubt. I believe there isnt enough open minded people TBH just because they havent seen anything with their own eyes they dont believe it, its the same with UFO's and some strange things have happened with those too.

as for paranormal experiences, a study is going on over here in britain because some scientists believe they have evidence of life after death.. in which hospital patients have died and had outer body experiences, also i might add that it wasnt the brain causing them to hallucinate/dream because it was too long after they had gone to experience it that way. They were resussitated much later.

Interesting stuff indeed, anybody interested and open minded about these matters i suggest you read plenty online.. some good and also genuine (some) stories out there.
Well if you define existant things as those which are physically manifest then yes of course the supernatural wont exist.
I don't believe it....  ...mainly because it doesn't exist.
[QUOTE=''Red-XIII''][QUOTE=''EMOEVOLUTION'']Just because you can't measure something now doesn't make it real. It took us thousands of years to develop the tools to see cells, bacteria, and other tiny organisms all of which were real before hand. Multidimensional phenomena is definitely real. You just have to remove the psychological state of the human mind from the experience to see it clearly.[/QUOTE] 1. People didn't ever believe micro organisms to be 'supernatural' 2. The point at which we can measure the 'supernatural', it is no longer so since it has falled in to the realm of the natural world 3. Multidimensional phenomena in the minds of others cannot be measured, ergo how do you know its real? How dyou know no its not a figment of the mind? If we can measure these via brain scans, then we can only conclude they are effects of the mind.[/QUOTE] Like most people you always miss the key word. You just have to remove the psychological state of the human mind. Whether you are aware of it or not on a genetic level the human mind is incapable of perceiving all the laws of the physical World. We will reach a point where the remainder will become unexplainable and the only way to explain it would be through the use of computer technology that is smarter than humans. The supernatural is a terminology to describe a set of phenomena that the human mind cannot comprehend on a physical level. This doesn't mean it's not natural, it means the human mind cannot comprehend it, so it becomes super natural to us. If it comes down to a battle of Word definitions then all reality is defined by the word we use, and this simply isn't true. Reality exists with our without humans to comprehend it. It does not change the physical laws we do understand or don't understand. There will always be an element of the supernatural in human perception because we are not perfectly capable of proving everything there is to prove. And if you think we are, then you think our ability is infinite. Which seems absurd to me. The only way it comes infinite is through genetic adaptations or the use of tools superior to oour own capablities.

It depends how you look at the supernatural. If you apply the many worlds idea to it, it makes a little sense.
there are things that are considered supernatural NOW surely they will be solved later
[QUOTE=''EMOEVOLUTION'']I already addressed this in my first post. If you are to remove the physical state of the human mind, then how else can you measure it? If you can't measure it, it has no basis in our reality and thus you cannot say it's real. You're asserting that these other dimension are real. How do you know that if you cannot define it?[QUOTE=''EMOEVOLUTION''] We will reach a point where the remainder will become unexplainable and the only way to explain it would be through the use of computer technology that is smarter than humans. The supernatural is a terminology to describe a set of phenomena that the human mind cannot comprehend on a physical level. This doesn't mean it's not natural, it means the human mind cannot comprehend it, so it becomes super natural to us.[/QUOTE]I never said that something the human mind cannot understand is not natural. You're putting words in my mouth. This is exactly what I have already stated. As soon as we understand the supernatural, it is no longer so.I'll say it again:As soon as we can measure the supernatural, it is no longer supernatural.[QUOTE=''EMOEVOLUTION''] If it comes down to a battle of Word definitions then all reality is defined by the word we use, and this simply isn't true. Reality exists with our without humans to comprehend it. It does not change the physical laws we do understand or don't understand.[/QUOTE]Never said it didn't, I don't see where this is going. This is recycling my point for the nth time ''As soon as we can measure the supernatural, it is no longer supernatural.'' Therefore we can say that such supernatural things never really existed.[QUOTE=''EMOEVOLUTION''] There will always be an element of the supernatural in human perception because we are not perfectly capable of proving everything there is to prove.And if you think we are, then you think our ability is infinite. Which seems absurd to me. The only way it comes infinite is through genetic adaptations or the use of tools superior to oour own capablities.
[/QUOTE]We are not perfectly capable of proving everything yet. How do you know that we won't know everything without a point of definition to make such a claim? What you're arguing about here is our understanding of phenomena within our world, that which is observable but unexplainable. This not the same as the supernatural.
[QUOTE=''hellside'']there are things that are considered supernatural NOW

surely they will be solved later [/QUOTE]

Then the supernatural is merely a state of mind and thus not real.